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Just a Bit More Perspective on Winning and Losing Streaks

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Since the NHL expanded to 12 teams in 1967-68, thirty-one franchises have played 908 total seasons.  If you had to guess, what percentage of those seasons do you think included a 10-game stretch like the Leafs just had, with only one win in regulation?  Would you believe 541, or 60%?  And how many teams had a 13-game stretch, like the Colorado Avalanche, where they only lost one game or less in regulation?  Still a very high 32%.  And the number of seasons in which a team did both?!  10.5%. 

That seems amazing to me - 1 out of every 10 teams has a stretch that's as bad as the Leafs just had and as good as the Avs just had - in the same season!  Even more amazing - six of the last sixteen Stanley Cup winners had both stretches during their championship season.

After the jump, the number of seasons in which each team lost just once in 13 games or won just once in 10 games...

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Here are the number of seasons each NHL franchise had a 10-game stretch with one win or less since 1967-68:

Team Bad Seasons Total Seasons Pct
CGS 10 11 91
ATL 8 9 89
LAK 36 41 88
CBJ 7 8 88
TBL 14 16 88
PHX 23 29 79
VAN 30 38 79
SJS 13 17 76
MIN 6 8 75
ANA 11 15 73
FLA 11 15 73
PIT 29 41 71
NJD 24 34 71
WSH 23 34 68
CAR 19 29 66
TOR 25 41 61
DAL 24 41 59
NYR 24 41 59
EDM 16 29 55
CHI 22 41 54
DET 22 41 54
CGY 19 36 53
NYI 19 36 53
PHI 21 41 51
STL 21 41 51
NSH 5 10 50
OTT 8 16 50
COL 11 29 38
BUF 14 38 37
BOS 14 41 34
MTL 12 41 29

 

The Leafs are right in the middle in terms of fan suffering.  Folding the California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons was probably a good idea.

And on the positive side:

 

Team Good Seasons Total Seasons Pct
MTL 25 41 61
OTT 9 16 56
PHI 22 41 54
BOS 20 41 49
EDM 14 29 48
CGY 17 36 47
BUF 16 38 42
NYR 17 41 41
DET 17 41 41
COL 12 29 41
CHI 14 41 34
NJD 11 34 32
WSH 10 34 29
NYI 10 36 28
PIT 11 41 27
STL 11 41 27
DAL 10 41 24
SJS 4 17 24
PHX 6 29 21
ANA 3 15 20
FLA 3 15 20
TBL 3 16 19
LAK 7 41 17
TOR 7 41 17
VAN 6 38 16
MIN 1 8 13
CAR 3 29 10
NSH 1 10 10
CGS 0 11 0
ATL 0 9 0
CBJ 0 8 0

 

It certainly has been nice to be a Montreal Canadiens fan these last 41 years...

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Hey Gabe, it would be interesting to compare those numbers with the numbers we have in a 30 team league only. Are you able to look at just the period from 2000-2001 to present? I suspect these streaks will be less common over that time.

by Scott Reynolds on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Losing streaks are more common now – 67% of teams have had one since 2000-01. Winning streaks are slightly more common – 38% since 2000-01.

by Hawerchuk on Oct 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. I would have thought that the parity in the league would’ve resulted in fewer streaks but I guess not. Huh.

by Scott Reynolds on Oct 30, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the Bettman point skews things

… including how one even counts wins and losses. A streak like 1-5-4 is bad but not disastrous; and a string like 8-1-4 looks better than it really is.

by Bruce McCurdy on Nov 2, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the teams with fanbase problems: ATL, Tampa, Phoenix, Columbus, LA kings and the Panthers, are part of the losing-est franchise list.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 30, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All is forgiven in Vancouver and San Jose though!

by Hawerchuk on Oct 30, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This actually isn't as surprisng as you'd think

There’s a 1985 paper by Gilovich, Valone, and Tversky (here) on the “hot hand” in basketball, which showed that, contrary to popular belief, a basketball player who’s made shots recently is no more likely to hit their next one than their long run average would indicate. So why do so many people insist that there really is such a thing as the hot hand when there isn’t, with even pros trying to get the ball to the guy who made his shots recently?

Well they do some extra experiments, and it turns out that humans seem wired to think that streaks will be more rare than they actually are. They show people the result of digital coin flips, which they manipulate to make streakier or less streaky, and ask people to pick out the one that shows true randomness… and the one people pick is pretty reliably one that they forced to alternate heads and tails more than they really do. So when we see REAL streams of random events, we’re surprised at how common long streaks are, and start inventing reasons for them.

This means that hockey teams will regularly come up with longer strings of wins and losses than most of us would expect, that we will call shooters “hot” or “cold” when they are being perfectly consistent in their odds of making each shot, and so on.

Corollary: “Momentum” is mostly also bunk, but it doesn’t stop our perceptual system reading it in.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 1, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Momentum" is mostly also bunk, but it doesn’t stop our perceptual system reading it in.

Thank you.

by Kent Wilson on Nov 2, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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